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Diminishing value - depreciation

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Hi!

What OOB depreciation method can be used for the diminishing-value method (straight-line rate multiplied by 200% for depreciating assets) - Base value Ã— (days held Ã· 365) Ã— (200% Ã· asset’s effective life)? Is it something Australia-specific?

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  • Gurmann Sandhu Profile Picture
    10 on at
    RE: Diminishing value - depreciation

    Sorry i am trying to do like : 32.50*360*100,000/36000= ?? the result is not getting like your one..

  • Gurmann Sandhu Profile Picture
    10 on at
    RE: Diminishing value - depreciation

    Hi 

     To choose Declining Balance -1 there are some rules make sure it's correct and the data you enter is according to rules.

  • Ikhan-Accelerynt Profile Picture
    5 on at
    RE: Diminishing value - depreciation

    Hi Steve,

    I am having a hard time entering 200% DB%. My client would like to depreciate with a conversion to SL. We tried to use Db2/SL but not sure where to enter the 200%. Client provided an example: $70,000 asset using 200DDB over 7 years with a conversion to SL.

    First month depreciation amount is $1666.67 based on what client provided and then depreciation goes on based on book value. I can come up manually 70000/(7years*12months)*200.

    I was able to replicate this using DB2/SL and I had to put .2511% under the Declining percentage field. I am trying to understand where to enter the 200%.

    Imran

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    on at
    RE: Diminishing value - depreciation

    Jenny,

    Do not put a Depreciation Ending Date. It is not required since you are defining the Depreciation Method as Declining-Balance 1. You need a Starting Date and BC will take it from there using the % factor in the monthly depreciation calculation.

    Depreciation Amount = (Declining-Bal. % x Number of Depreciation Days x Depr. Basis) / (100 x 360)

    In your pic, your Starting Date is 1/1/2020 with a 32.50 Declining %. I entered in my Sandbox and here using a starting Acq. of 100000, my results are correct based on the method:

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    I only did Depreciation for 2020 and 2021.

    Hope this help. If not, you can email me at steven.chinsky@wipfli.com and we can do a Teams call and I can assist.

    Thanks,

    Steve

  • jenny2020 Profile Picture
    40 on at
    RE: Diminishing value - depreciation

    Hi Steve

    thanks for your reply

    yes, I have tried to add the column in fix asset card, but it come up the same error

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    also after I add the declining-balance % on the screen above, it won't show up on the screen below, which won't allow me to acquire this asset.  

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    do you have any solutions? thank you

    Jenny

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    on at
    RE: Diminishing value - depreciation

    Jenny,

    Have you setup on the Fixed Asset Card the Declining-Balance %? 

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    This is required for Declining-Balance to establish the % to decline.

    Hope this helps.

    Thanks,

    Steve

  • jenny2020 Profile Picture
    40 on at
    RE: Diminishing value - depreciation

    Hi Steve

    thanks for the answer above, for some reason i am not able to select 'declining-balance1' the error message shows:

    depreciation Method must not be Declining-Balance 1 in FA Depreciation Book FA No.='FA000010',Depreciation Book Code='COMPANY'.

    and i do need to use this method for depreciation rather than DBL/SL

    so do you know how can i fix it?

    thanks heaps

    Jenny

  • Julia Rikhter Profile Picture
    47 on at
    RE: Diminishing value - depreciation

    Thank you very much Steven!

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    Community Member Profile Picture
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    RE: Diminishing value - depreciation

    Julia,

    Have you tested and used Declining-Balance 1 or Declining-Balance 2? The difference is as follows:

    Declining-Balance 1 Depreciation

    This accelerated depreciation method allocates the largest portion of the cost of an asset to the early years of its useful lifetime. If you use this method, you must enter a fixed yearly percentage.

    The following formula calculates depreciation amounts:

    Depreciation Amount = (Declining-Bal. % x Number of Depreciation Days x Depr. Basis) / (100 x 360)

    The depreciable basis is calculated as the book value less posted depreciation since the starting date of the current fiscal year. The posted depreciation amount can contain entries with various posting types (write-down, custom1, and custom2) posted since the starting date of the current fiscal year. These posting types are included in the posted depreciation amount if there are check marks in the Depreciation Type and the Part of Book Value fields in the FA Posting Type Setup window.

    Example - Declining-Balance 1 Depreciation

    A fixed asset has an acquisition cost of LCY 100,000. The Declining-Balance % field is 25. The Calculate Depreciation batch job is run biannually.

    The following table shows how the fixed asset ledger entries look.

    Date FA Posting Type Days Amount Book Value
    01/01/10 Acquisition Costs * 100,000.00 100,000.00
    06/30/10 Depreciation 180 -12,500.00 87,500.00
    12/31/10 Depreciation 180 -12,500.00 75,000.00
    06/30/11 Depreciation 180 -9,375.00 65,625.00
    12/31/11 Depreciation 180 -9,375.00 56,250.00
    06/30/12 Depreciation 180 -7,031.25 49,218.75
    12/31/12 Depreciation 180 -7,031.25 42,187.50
    06/30/13 Depreciation 180 -5,273.44 36,914.06
    12/31/13 Depreciation 180 -5,273.44 31,640.62
    06/30/14 Depreciation 180 -3,955.08 27,685.54
    12/31/14 Depreciation 180 -3,955.08 23,730.46
    • Depreciation starting date

      Calculation Method:

      1st Year: 25% of 100,000 = 25,000 = 12,500 + 12,500

      2nd Year: 25% of 75,000 = 18,750 = 9,375 + 9,375

      3rd Year: 25% of 56,250 = 14,062.50 = 7,031.25 + 7,031.25

      The calculation continues until the book value equals the final rounding amount or the salvage value that you entered.

    Declining-Balance 2 Depreciation

    The Declining-Balance 1 and Declining-Balance 2 methods calculate the same total depreciation amount for each year. However, if you run the Calculate Depreciation batch job more than once a year, the Declining-Balance 1 method will result in equal depreciation amounts for each depreciation period. The Declining-Balance 2 method, on the other hand, will result in depreciation amounts that decline for each period.

    Example - Declining-Balance 2 Depreciation

    A fixed asset has an acquisition cost of LCY 100,000. The Declining-Balance % field is 25. The Calculate Depreciation batch job is run biannually. The fixed asset ledger entries look like this:

    Date FA Posting Type Days Amount Book Value
    01/01/10 Acquisition Costs * 100,000.00 100,000.00
    06/30/10 Depreciation 180 -13,397.46 86,602.54
    12/31/10 Depreciation 180 -11,602.54 75,000.00
    06/30/11 Depreciation 180 -10,048.09 64,951.91
    12/31/11 Depreciation 180 -8,701.91 56,250.00
    • Depreciation starting date

    Calculation Method:

    • BV = Book value
    • ND = Number of depreciation days
    • DBP = Declining-balance percent
    • P = DBP/100
    • D = ND/360

    The formula for calculating the depreciation amounts is:

    DA = BV x (1 – (1 –P)D

    The depreciation values are:

    Date Calculation
    06/30/10 DA = 100,000.00 x (1 -(1 - 0.25)0.5) = 13,397.46
    12/31/10 DA = 86,602.54 x (1 - (1 - 0.25)0.5) = 11,602.54
    06/30/11 DA = 75,000.00 x (1 - (1 - 0.25)0.5) = 10,048.09
    12/31/11 DA = 64,951.91 x (1 - (1 - 0.25)0.5) = 8,701.91


    Test this out and it should meet your requirement.

    Hope this helps.

    Thanks,

    Steve

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