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Incorrect Vendor Balances

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I need HELP!! Last year, 2012, I began my journey into GP. New company, new to GP. I just jumped right in and started paying vendors. I did not use, was not trained (not that it matters now) in the complete payables process. Long story short, I have vendors that have credit balances ie; (10,430) on my trial balance report. This is producing a completely wrong payables balance on my balance sheet. For the majority of my vendors I paid in early part of 2012 I wrote checks, paid vendors but created NO INVOICE. My entries hit the bank and the asset, but also affected the vendor balance. I cannot remove the entries as some blogs have suggested because I am assuming that process will affect my bank account since it was the original entry. What do I do??? I've hinted to the investors that the balance is wrong on the balance sheet but I have got to get this fixed. What I do not understand to be honest is that if my original entry was bank /asset why is it hitting my payables balance on my balance sheet. I never created a PO or an invoice. I'm very confused. Thank you for your help!

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  • Community Member Profile Picture
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    Kelly,

    What is status of your General Ledger ?  

    Are you comfortable with your trial balance ?.  

    Are you looking forward to correct your AP Sub Ledger only  ?

    If your GL / trial balance is ok and  you only want to fix the AP side - you should enter AP invoices and post them only the Sub Ledger and not to GL to bring the AP and GL in sync.  For these entries you will not have the GL to AP Drill down.  

    Don't give up - Keep asking :)

    Cheers!

    Sanjay

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    Victoria Yudin Profile Picture
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    Kelley,

    I am sorry if my answer seemed dismissive. Ian is exactly right - I was reacting to you saying that you need to show proper information to "investors" and it seemed pretty time sensitive. Maybe I misread the urgency/importance in your original post.

    I have spent significant time helping GP companies 'clean up' transactions entered incorrectly in the past and it's usually much more involved than it sounds at first. Usually the initial issue has actually cascaded to a number of additional issues throughout the system. For that reason, and thinking that you needed to get this resolved quickly, I suggested that you talk to your GP partner or a consultant so they could look at your system together with you and give you the best, quickest help possible.

    The issue as I understand it, is that you entered a number of "one sided" subledger entries. By "one sided", I mean that there is a payment, but no invoice to go along with it, so as far as the Payables subleger knows, all you've done is paid vendors, and thus it's showing them with negative balances. From reading your posts it sounds like you were thinking that if your GL distributions do not hit the AP account, this will be fine, but this is not how GP works. Any subledger transaction in GP will do 2 things:

    1. Post to the subledger recording what has happened in detail, regardless of the GL distributions entered.

    2. Post to the GL using the GL distributions only, regardless of what has happened in the subledger.

    Only when these two match will you be able to reconcile your subledger to the GL. And in many cases GP will not enforce this for you – it’s on you to make sure things are entered properly. This is good and bad - it's good because you have a lot more options and control over your accounting entries. It's bad because the system will typically not prevent you from making mistakes when the GL distributions do not match what the subledger is recording.

    That was all just a little bit of the "theory" behind how this works.

    If I understood the issue properly, to fix this, I would recommend entering payables invoices that hit the same account (doesn't matter which account) for both the debit and credit. Your GL is correct - you just need to clean up the AP subledger and this will accomplish it. If you don't care about being able to print correct historical aged trial balances, you can enter one invoice per vendor. Otherwise, you would need at least one per month/fiscal period. Once you post those invoices, your vendor balances should show up properly, however you will still have a bunch of unapplied transactions, to finish cleaning this up, you would need to apply the payments you previously posted to the these invoices. (If you’re doing this per month/period, make sure to change the apply dates as needed.)

    Hope that helps.

  • Kelley Profile Picture
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    I've seen Victoria and the immense knowledge she has-that was what brought me here. I would never dismiss her and that was not my intent with my response. She in fact was dismissive of me and it surprised me. I've not ever seen her respond with a go get help attitude. My hands are very tied with where to go for help. I don't have the luxury of a VAR-  I wish I did, so I felt this was my first step and she was, as I stated why I posted to begin with. I read these posts daily and have used her knowledge numerous times. I have a huge amount of respect for her. Thank you so very much for your assistance, but I will note that I will be very hesitant to post anything again. Again, thank you for your time.

  • Ian Richardson Profile Picture
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    as an aside.

    You mentioned a board of directors, which makes the reader believe this out of balance would be a pretty big deal so I can totally see where Victoria recommended local VAR assistance.  She really knows her stuff and you will see her all over this board with recommendations and solutions.  I would not dismiss her advice as quickly as you did.

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    Ian Richardson Profile Picture
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    hi Kelley

    Yes I would definitely enter the invoices with a distribution of debit a/p credit a/p.  That should take your subledger back to the zero that is already in the gl.  I would apply the invoices manually against the payments rather than letting a cheque run do it on its own.

    If you have no need for individual invoice history consider putting one invoice in per vendor.

  • Kelley Profile Picture
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    here is my screen shot. my 15305 is an asset account on my balance sheet. I truly appreciate any help or even direction you can provide. Thank you

  • Kelley Profile Picture
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  • Kelley Profile Picture
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    I do not have a GP partner or consultant or I certainly would  have asked them. Not sure why you are referring me to my consultant for  my answer. I've seen thousands of helpful threads on here. I assumed that is what this forum was for. Not to be referred back to my partner/consultant. In addition I took two training classes and have indeed learned how to do it properly and have been for some time. Thank you for your suggestion regarding my training.

  • Victoria Yudin Profile Picture
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    Kelley,

    My 2 cents, for what it's worth. Your best course of action would be to work with your GP Partner or a GP consultant to help you clean up what is in your system currently. We can all take a bunch of guesses to try to help you, and go back and forth for a while, but if this is important to clean up quickly and properly (and maybe get some training on how to do this correctly in the future at the same time), you should really get one-on-one help.

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    Ian Richardson Profile Picture
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    are you able to post a screen shot of the payment and the distribution so that we can confirm your entries are debit expense or asset credit bank?

    once we confirm that I would second Frank that entering the invoices with a distribution of debit and credit a/p will set the vendor subledger back to zero and not affect any G/L balances, thus bringing you back into balance a/p subledger to gl.

    Ian

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