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Help with structure of Multiple Legal Entities within one NAV company please

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A consultant working on implementing 2015 NAV ran into an issue our other consultants told us was not an issue.

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On the topic of Global Dimension 1 to segregate company data... We implemented this approach for a NAV 2013 implementation last fall and it worked out very well. The customer does not use warehousing, but the changes were not as significant as you might worry they'd be. At a high level, it involved some of the steps below...but again, it worked out great and accounting has been perfectly clean...no issues.

- In the G/L post codeunit, add logic to require Global Dimension 1 Code on EVERY entry hitting the G/L
- Modify the consistency check in G/L post to enforce balancing by global dimension 1
- Enforce restrictions around documents (global dim. 1 the same on the header and all lines)
- As an exception to the previous point, we allowed purchase invoices/credit memos to be posted with lines allocated to other "entities" (global dim. 1) and added a setup table and logic to automatically post due-to/due-from entries
- Add some other restrictions (no cash applications across entities, exchange adjustment set up to work within entities, suggest vendor payments adjusted accordingly)

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Our company, however, has a requirement to not only separate the legal entities for financial reporting, but also for production reporting.  Also our various legal entities pay their AP invoices from (and apply AR cash received to) a single bank account.  All of our production reporting currently is done through the Accounting Ledger. And all of our production is done in separate areas within a single legal entity.

 

Our first pass at a structure used Global Dimension 1 to differentiate all the legal entities as well as the production areas within the one legal entity that held not only our production areas, but also our central warehouse.

The consultant above tells us that this will result in massive transactions being posted to the GL anytime product is transferred from the central warehouse to one of the production areas, and vice versa.

 

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I think you need to take it back to what the goal is and the simplest way to accomplish that goal.

 

1.      Goal: Produce a P & L by department with the least amount of manual intervention –

a.      If Each Production area is its own GD1 and the warehouse is a separate GD1 – we are under the impression that 2 transactions have to happen

                                       i.     Order to move the inventory from Warehouse to production area – creating an GL entry – about 35K transactions a month = messy GL, overcomplicated situation

     ii.     Location change to put the inventory in the Production location

b.    Isn’t the inventory that is stored in the warehouse NOT going to be reported on the P&L correctly as it is “owned” by the warehouse instead of production – this would be true of WIP as well that is stored in the warehouse – every movement of this is going to create a P&L entry.

 

If there is an easier way to handle this  - WITHOUT doing all these GL affecting movements but still produce a valid P&L then that is what they are looking for.

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IS there an easier way?

 

How?

 

Thank you.

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  • Ravji  Profile Picture
    Ravji 5 on at
    RE: Help with structure of Multiple Legal Entities within one NAV company please

    I am looking for a Solution, add in to permit a shared model, whereby HO does Shared services eg pays centrally for multiple legal entities using one central bank. Bookings than get charged via inter Co accounts

  • RE: Help with structure of Multiple Legal Entities within one NAV company please

    We have more to consider.

    Thank you very much for your input.

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    Jens Glathe Profile Picture
    Jens Glathe 6,092 on at
    RE: Help with structure of Multiple Legal Entities within one NAV company please

    Hi Toivo,

    sounds good, most of it. The limitations DimensionPath introduces are there for a reason. Specifically this one sounds like a deal breaker for your scenario:

    [quote user="Toivo"]

    1) warehouse and production areas are separate suites all under one roof, with the warehouse obviously taking up the most space with multiple freezers, coolers, and miles of pallet racking.  We need to account for production areas separately, to the balance sheet and income statement levels.

    •        Extensive additional functionality around this is provided:

    •   Prevention of item transfers across entities.  Items must be sold and bought between entities using standard NAV documents.

    •   Prevention of cash receipt and payment applications across entities to prevent imbalances between subledgers and the G/L.

    •   Prevention of sales/purchase document applications to open entries under other entities (again, to ensure subledger balancing).

    [/quote]

    Now, with this, your transfer orders would not be possible. The cash receipt and application limitations make the whole implementation easier (one could also say "viable" ;)), but they also go to the heart of the issue: You need a balance by date and GD1 for every transaction, or you can't post it. Item transfers are balance account vs. balance account, but the balance by GD1 would not be zero. Same if you apply between different entities, or for that matter pay different entities from one bank account belonging to one (other) entity.

    What you would need to surpass these limitations is the arbiter logic I was talking about. Since the transactions where this is needed are a clearly defined set, it should be doable to extend the posting logic accordingly. We have done this in our PE logic, for customer/vendor and G/L applications. It should be sort of "easy" for the transfer orders, too.

    with best regards

    Jens

  • RE: Help with structure of Multiple Legal Entities within one NAV company please

    1) warehouse and production areas are separate suites all under one roof, with the warehouse obviously taking up the most space with multiple freezers, coolers, and miles of pallet racking.  We need to account for production areas separately, to the balance sheet and income statement levels.

    2) We have multiple bank accounts, several for each legal entity, but we generally pay payables from one central bank in order to combine vendor balances due and credits netted onto one check across legal entities.  Some vendors are paid from multiple accounts, it is a choice we can make, which account to use to pay a specific vendor. Also, some vendors are flagged to be paid from a specific account.  Fixed assets are part of each legal entities' balance sheet, and fixed assets for the warehouse and production areas also are assigned to those locations.

    We were pointed towards this company, any opinions:

    dynamicspath.com/.../dimensionpath

    [quote]

    Multiple legal entities in a single NAV company

    •        DimensionPath will accommodate scenarios where multiple operating companies need to be set up in a single NAV company to make full transactional detail and financial results visible across all entities at all times.

    •        Global Dimension 1 is used to segregate entity data.  DimensionPath enforces G/L balancing by Global Dimension 1 at all times.

    •        Extensive additional functionality around this is provided:

    •   Prevention of item transfers across entities.  Items must be sold and bought between entities using standard NAV documents.

    •   Prevention of cash receipt and payment applications across entities to prevent imbalances between subledgers and the G/L.

    •   Prevention of sales/purchase document applications to open entries under other entities (again, to ensure subledger balancing).

    •   Automatic creation of a linked purchase order for an inter-entity sales order.

    •   Inter-entity due-to and due-from posting setups and generated entries.

    •   The ability to process purchase documents and allocate lines across entities, automatically booking the due-to / due-from entries.

    •   Suggest vendor payments modified to suggest separate payments out of each entity for shared vendors.

    [/quote]

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    Jens Glathe Profile Picture
    Jens Glathe 6,092 on at
    RE: Help with structure of Multiple Legal Entities within one NAV company please

    Hi Toivo,

    without diving too deep into it, I think your consultant is right - and it is an issue. I think there is no easier way. With the consistency check in place (good choice, btw) you have no real choice but to do it completely. The additional G/L movements are there anyway if you have automatic inventory posting enabled.

    Questions:

    1. Are central warehouse and production locations separate physical locations where transfer shipments need to be posted?

    2. What about the balance side, do you have a bank balance by legal entity on the same bank account? What do you do with fixed assets? Are these asigned to the physical locations?

    Interesting, but definitely non-standard setup for NAV. We have something similar, but not with GD1 (extra field, local chart of accounts, exclusive ownership of assets). We have an arbitration logic for applications between permanent establishments, too - this is necessary when you have payments from one PE against an invoice that is for a different PE.

    with best regards

    Jens

  • RE: Help with structure of Multiple Legal Entities within one NAV company please

    ttt

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