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German Reverse VAT and Elster - Germany

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Greetings, 

I wonder if you can help me regarding reverse VAT and Elster. The way I have it setup in my environment is that if VAT is to be charged, I have created the necessary sales tax codes, sales tax group, and item sales tax group. However, when it comes to reverse charge VAT, I have set it up as a charge code so that the reverse charge VAT amount can go into the specific main accounts. My only concern is that when I was setting up Elster and referring to the following article https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh242385.aspx, I realized that the reverse charge VAT charge code would not show based on the posted sales tax form in AX because AX sees it as a charge code (I used AP > Inquiries > Journals > Invoice Journal to see my tax calculations). With that said, I have a two part question:

1. I am assuming I will have to change the way I calculate reverse charge VAT in the system. Can guidance be provided as to how German reverse VAT charges are setup so that the standard sales tax setup is used? 

2. Has anyone used the built in functionality for Elster? Is the setup something that can be done from a functional perspective or does this have to have some technical involvement? Using Technet, it states that a style sheet is required, but I have no idea as to even where to begin with this. Any information provided as to setup this will be greatly appreciated. 

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    Ludwig Reinhard Profile Picture
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    Hello FAD1,

    For no 1:

    Do you have access to a MS Contoso demo machine? If so, can you take a look at the DEMF company and how reverse VAT is setup there? The "trick" is activating the Parameter "use tax" in the sales tax group form. This Parameter ensures that a debit and credit tax transaction is created that is required for the reverse charge transaction. If you do not have Access to a contoso machine, let us know, I can provide you with some screenshots of a demo Setup then.

    For no 2:

    Most probably you will need technical help to setup the Elster transmission. Often the transfer fails the first time you try because of missing user & access rights, firewall issues and so on that can only fixed by technical experts but no ordinary System users.

    Hope this helps,

    Ludwig

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    Thank you, Ludwig! The tax setup did appear to work and I was able to get a better understanding of the resources required to setup Elster.

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    Hi Ludwig

    Have you got the complete menu path to where this Parameter is set? I can't find it in my AX 2012

  • Ludwig Reinhard Profile Picture
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    Hello Palle,

    You mean the use tax parameter in the sales tax group form?

    If you cannot see the parameter, check in the GL parameter form whether the "apply US taxation rule" parameter is checked.

    Best regards,

    Ludwig

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    Hi Ludwig

    Thanks for prompt reply.

    I am sitting on a GB AX and in GB we have specific parameter settings for Reverse Charge, but there is no setting available in any other countries (like the German settings)

    Making me a bit confused.

  • Ludwig Reinhard Profile Picture
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    Hello Palle,

    Yes, it might be a bit confusing to see that we use a US tax parameter to post reverse charge VAT in Germany :-)

    For GB, Microsoft recommends setting up postive and negative sales tax codes (technet.microsoft.com/.../gg231022.aspx) which basically achieves the same with the difference that you need to setup 2 instead of one single code.

    I am not sure which way is more preferrable.

    What's your opinion on this?

    Ludwig

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    Hi Ludwig

    Thanks for prompt reply.

    Is there a guide somewhere to do the full German Reverse Charge setup and use?

    The way the Brits do it, is to prevent the fraud with mobile phones, microchips etc. The "VAT merry-go-round"

  • Ludwig Reinhard Profile Picture
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    Hi Palle,

    There is not really a guideline for the tax setup available.

    At least not to my knowledge.

    That might be because there are so many "Special" rules / exceptions / etc.

    The best thing I can recommend is the AX Finance DACH site of the German MS support team. blogs.technet.microsoft.com/ax_finance_dach

    Unfortunately, most of the stuff there is in German language ... but you can always post a question on this forum :-) ... yet, probably in a new thread. Otherwise, this one will get messed up and confusing.

    All the best,

    Ludwig

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    Thanks

    German is my third language so I'll be ok there too :-)

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    What is the German name for Reverse Charge?

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