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Financial Analysis of two facilities in the same company (Germany)

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Hi,

I'm trying to find out, if it's possible (and how) to see two facilities divided, though in the same company financially. I'd like to see General ledger, Balance sheet, Materials stock and everything else (Navision).

Thanks in advance for suggestions!

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    Jens Glathe Profile Picture
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    Hi Wibke,

    unfortunately, this is not really supported in NAV. One could suggest to use dimenions for the separation, but this won't really work in all circumstances and it's quite a PITA to make it work.

    In other sotware, the facility would amount to a company code or a plant. You could set up the accounting to have a balance by company code and by plant. In NAV, one company is one entity... balance checking is only implemented company-wide.

    We have implemented accounting by facility (Permanent Establishment, PE), it is quite a change from standard NAV, though. With this you would get:

    - Balance by PE - all postings must equal to zero by date and PE. This is checked and enforced.

    - Assignment of Bank Accounts and Assets (G/L Accounts would be useful) to PEs. This results in a split-up of yur balance sheet by PE.

    - Arbitration facility (show the build- up of Debt/Credit between the PEs on a separate account). This is needed for any mixed-PE postings, for example payment of an invoice from a bank account belonging to a different PE.

    - Reporting in the G/L, Customers, Vendors, Account Schedule by PE.

    - "Local" Chart of Accounts for a PE. Technically the PE can post with their own account numbers (mandatory in the country) to the accounts of the whole company, which have the Chart of Accounts of the main company. This has its limitations, though. You need a direct link for all "indirect" postings via posting groups and setups, or a 1:1 relation from PE Account to G/L Account.

    - Ownership of inventory can be separated with locations. PE must be part of the ILEs, though, with quite some interesting (but resolvable, IMO) issues regarding ACIE. We didn't implement this because it was not needed for our use case.

    Overall, it is quite an effort to implement this, worthy of an Add-On. But it is not very often a viable use case, because it's adding complexity to the application.

    The "standard" way to solve this would be to use several companies. but this is also like opening a whole can of worms: Master Data Management, Consolidation and the reporting time-lag, Intercompany Transactions (but for facilities or PEs, they technically aren't intercompany from a consolidation perspective), and so on. Maybe adding the PE complexity is the better solution then.

    with best regards

    Jens

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    Our current system uses the following structure: Corporation, Location, Department, Account and automatically creates intercompany entries for transfers between Corporations.  

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  • Jens Glathe Profile Picture
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    Hi Raokman,

    I'm sorry to hear this. However it sounds like you don't have the complete company (corporation?) running on NAV yet. In NAV there is the rule of Company = one legal entity. This can be a pain at times, for example when you need a balance (for tax reasons, for instance) by location / office. Most consultants would say "you can do this with dimensions", but that goes only so far. You don't have the balance checking and additional accounting rules with this. And this is where the problems really begin.

    Setting up one legal entity over several companies is even worse transaction-wise, since you need intercompany transactions then and those can't be posted automatically (intentionally). And you have the IC document overhead, mappings, master data problems and so on. Like I told: You can do it in NAV, but you change some base functionality with it, and you're adding complexity.

    And yes, there is no support for this in the base product, any version. AFAIK it is not on the list :(

    with best regards

    Jens

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    Raokman,

    Don't take out your anger on Dynamics NAV because you've been lied to by whoever sold you the software. There are people out there, as in many other industries, that will say anything for you to give them a fat check.

    Based on what you described, the use of dimensions can help you separate transactions per company. What exactly is wrong with this process? Have you enforced each G/L account with the dimension of code mandatory including the balance sheet accounts? Each transaction can be tagged with a dimension to uniquely identify the transaction belonging to a dimension (in your case company).

    My guess is your setup is incomplete because whoever sold you the software did not explain the full implication of dimensions and whoever implemented NAV for you did not fully understand what you were trying to do.

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    We use Corporation and LOCATION along with Department as identifiers for transactions, and again, expecially in production, surprisingly, DEPARTMENT information can be lost, not required, nevermind that within a corporation, which may include multiple LOCATIONS, the location dimension can't be tracked because NAV only has 2 Global dimensions available. Using one for Corporation and one for Department leaves us 1 dimension short.

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