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Hard Consolidations - Using a seperate elimination company versus posting eliminations to the consolidation company

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Hi 

This is just a general request for peoples experience with hard consolidations and specifically the advantages or disadvantages of a seperate elimination company. 

To date my organisation has only used soft consolidations (i.e Financial reports) because we were a start-up company and the requirements were relatively straight forward. But as we grow this is becomming more complex. We now have  9 companies and are about to add a 10th company that will have a different Chart of accounts and need to be consolidated at two levels.  For this reason we are reviewing the best way to approach this do we continue with soft consolidations or start using hard consolidations.  Also if we use hard consolidations what is the best way for us to manage eliminations. 

It appears we have two choices for elimination entries  1) Use elimination rules to create elimination journals in the consolidation companies or  2) Create a seperate company specifically for elimination entries. 

I have two specific questions releate to this  If we take option two it appears we cannot use elimination rules to automatically create the elimination journals but will have to manually create these as general journals, unless I am missing something?    Likewise if you set your consolidation companies to also be elimination companies you can only use the proposed elimination journals you cannot edit these journals or create your own manual journals is this correct?   

What are other peoples experiences with this, have you made hard consolidations work for you or have you taken another approach, using external consolidation and reporting tools? 

Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.

Best regards 

Simon  

        

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  • Ding Li Profile Picture
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    Hi SimonX,

    Have you checked the this post: Consolidation and elimination overview - Finance | Dynamics 365 | Microsoft Docs

    Does 'FAQ' section answer your question?

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    Hi Ding

    Thanks for your reply.  Yes I have read this post and it it seems to suggest that you can only use elimination rules in a company that you specify as an elimination company and if you specify a company as an elimination company you cannot post manual journal entries. Which to me seems to be a strange limitation.  

    Overall I am still left with many questions that I think I can only answer by trial and error in a sandbox environment.  For example do I need to run a year end for my elimination company?  If I have balance sheet eliminations I am guessing the answer is yes?  If I have a separate elimination company do I include it in the online consolidation or do I just use it to show my elimination entries as a separate column on my financial reports?   To have a separate company to create eliminations using elimination rules I am assume I need to set the use for financial elimination switch on  for that company and then this will stop me from creating and posting general journals to this company. If I want to do that I have to have the use for financial elimination switch off?  Can I reverse an elimination journal created via an elimination rule I have seen no mention on how to this?

    Sadly I think trial and error is the only way to answer these questions

    Thanks again

    Simon  

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    Hi Ding

    I have by trial and error  in a sandobox enviornment answered my questions which I have documented below to help anyone else in the community that may be looking at setting up hard consolidations with a seperate elimination entity.    The area for me that was not clear or explicitly explained in the documentation have seen in the link to Microsoft docs that you provided or any other documentation I could find. Was exactly how to set-up and use a seperate elimination entity and be able to us both ellimination journals (journal type elimination) and general journals (journal type daily).  So here are the key steps for creating the elimination entity and both types of journal processing.

    Step 1.  Create a new legal entity to be the elimination entity  

    In the new entity set the switch for use for financial eliminations on. You will also need to set-up the ledger, GL parameters and relevant sequence numbers, which I will not cover here. 

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    To be able to create both general journals for manual eliminations and elimination journals via elimination rules in the elimination entity create journal names in the elimination entity. I have used ELJ for elimination journals and ELJM for manual general journals to be used for eliminations. 

    See below 

    Step 2  - Create the journal names 

    Elimination Journal 

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    General Journal

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      Step 3 - Generate the Elimination journals in the elimination company. 

    This is not immediatelty obvious, because you can create an elimination rule in the elimimation entity and create the journal proposal but you cannot post this journal unless you also make the elimination entity a consolidation entity.  But if you make the elimination entity a consolidation entity then you cannot post manual general journals of type daily.  There is an error message that tells you this see below. This was the source of my confusion and lead to my original post

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    So how do we do this? The answer is step 4.  

    Step 4.  Create the elimination rule for the elimination entity in the consolidation entity not the elimination entity 

    On the elimination rule make the destination company the elimination entity 

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    Step 5 -  Consolidate on-line

    When you run the consolidate on line you can select the rule you have created for the elimination entity and have it create the journal (proposal only) or create and post the journal (Post only)

    The jouranak will use the journal name you created in the elimination entity and the rule created in the consolidation entity 

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    You can also manually create and propose the elimination in the elimination entity, as long as you select the elimination rules you created in the consolidation entity. 

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    Step 6 - Create an elimination using a general journal 

    Just follow the steps you woudl follow to create a general journal in the elimination entity using the daily journal journal name

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    This also probably answers another question i had, which is how to correct an incorrectly posted elimination journal created by an elimination rule. There is no reverse option as there is is with a general journal. I beleive there are two ways but if any one has better option let me know?  Option 1 is raise a general journal to reverse the entries or option 2 create an elimination rule with the fixed amounts that you want to reverse. 

    I hope this will be helpful to any one else that is trying to use consolidations with a seperate elimination entity.

    Best regards 

    Simon 

  • Ding Li Profile Picture
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    Hi SimonX,

    Thanks for your following up this post. Really applicated your input!

  • Community Member Profile Picture
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    HI Ding

    you are welcome, I hope is some help to other members of the community.

    Best regards

    Simon  

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